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Bryan Niven

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I couldn't find any reliable sources, so WP:GNG and WP:BIO aren't satisfied. Also, his works don't appear to be held in any major collections or reviewed, so WP:ARTIST is out. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Grizel Niven

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One Telegraph interview doesn't satisfy WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chong Yan Chuah

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. References are interviews, profiles and PR. Promo. scope_creep^Talk 08:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carmelo Strano

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I'm not finding this professor and art critic notable per WP:Nacademic nor WP:NAUTHOR. The current sourcing consists of two press releases and a listing that is a simple name check. Part of a group of articles created to promote the "Empathic Movement". Netherzone (talk) 03:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As per nom. Axad12 (talk) 03:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. GS citations are tiny. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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Menotti Lerro

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All right, I'll bite, this article is probably not notable. The refbombing makes it really hard to assess the quality of the sources, but even then, it seems most coverage is either WP:ROUTINE or about the movement he founded, empathism. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per @Netherzone. Tavantius (talk) 16:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the previous deletion discussion (here [1]) is informative as per source quality. I would additionally suggest salting. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Many of the sources are local, and many are written by followers/adherents/members of his so-called "cultural movement", Empathism, who have signed his "manifesto", therefore are not independent.

Netherzone (talk) 16:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - As I'm slogging through the 94 ref-bombed citations I am finding that many of these sources are user-submitted content, blogs, things written by his Empathism adherents and members, and some sources don't mention him at all. The article is bloated with content supported in this way, and I do not think it should remain in the encyclopedia, per WP:PROMO by the two now-blocked sockpuppets (see: [2] and [3]). Also WP:TNT, and WP:NOTADVERTISING may apply. Netherzone (talk) 22:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. For full disclosure I was recently heavily involved in both the ANI thread and the SPI which resulted in the socks being blocked. However, I agree with the positions taken by Allan Nonymous and Netherzone above. The fact that the equivalent article was deleted on Italian Wikipedia on notability grounds is, I suspect, a relevant consideration here. Axad12 (talk) 03:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — maybe if this were started from scratch by impartial editors it could amount to something, but as things stand, it’s irremediably tainted by promotional spam. — Biruitorul ^Talk 12:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

collapsing sock stuff Left guide (talk) 00:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I do not know what this editor(s) did so bad, but I think that this profile od Menotti Lerro, also born as a draft accepted, did not need spam to be encyclopedic. I see academic monographies dedicated to the Author. A lot of relevant articles "Poesia" international magazine more times since 2003 (therefore 17 years before his movement), and articles written by Roberto Carifi, Nuovi Argomenti main Italian literary magazine, Avvenire by Maurizio Cucchi who wrote also on La Stampa in 2006. The author developed Cilento Poetry Prize financed by Italian Ministry of Culture for 140.500 Euro (seems very relevant thing to me...), his prize, was written in the page, has been now given to the Nobel Prize Jon Fosse who did not adhere to the movement... Same in the Movement there is the other Nobel Prize Olga Tokarczuk but she did not receive the prize (so did not adhered for this...). His movement is published in Academic volume The Empathic Movement (CSP: 2023). The same movement started in 2020 while the prize started 2017 (therefore it is not true that Lerro was convincing authors giving them the prize... at the least no in the first 3 years and no Jon Fosse, because he did not adhered, who is pretty relevant author and example, I guess. The author taught in Universities and has 4 academic degrees (MA from UK and PhD) and he is author of both: academic and creative volumes (around 40). I really do not understand why he did not earn to be on the free encyclopedy... Maybe the editor(s) did mistake (I do not see the real reason for them, but you should maybe to be a bit more open about the author himself...Heremsun (talk) 16:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)— Heremsun (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
@Heremsun, welcome, it's interesting that out of the blue on your very first edit of WP, you would find this AfD to make your very first edit. Please tell us how that coincidence occurred. You sound a bit familiar, have you other accounts? Netherzone (talk) 16:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Bianchi

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Fails to satisfy WP:NARTIST and WP:GNG (given most sources provide WP:ROUTINE coverage. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment if she was the subject of an entire book, that is far beyond routine coverage, no? PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The book in question is a book written by her [4], at least if the ISBN of the supposed book is correct. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from the description, I am unsure. It contains a catalogue of her artworks (hence her listing as the author) but says it has writings from other people. The publisher also lists it as having an editor who is not her. Don't have the time to look into this right now. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:10, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Obie Oberholzer

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Insufficient references to establish notability. -- Beland (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maurizio Zenga

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Part of a walled garden revolving around “empathism”. No credible evidence of notability. Biruitorul ^Talk 10:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Insufficient sources that are fully independent, secondary and in-depth. I can find a few press-releases online and a few things he wrote, but no indepth coverage of him and his work. The current sourcing is 1) Something he wrote about himself in a daily newspaper (non-independent, primary) "Maurizio Zenga talks about his experience...."; 2) List of "followers" or "adherents" to Menotti Lerro's so-called movement/manifesto Empathism - non-independent, primary source written by Lerro, that name checks Zenga as a signatory; 3) PR "preview" press release for a forthcoming event (public relations/press release). This article and many others created by a COI single-purpose account on numerous non-notable "followers" of Lerro's Empathism - it's WP:PROMO. The subject does not meet notability criteria for WP:NACADEMIC - Google scholar h-index score of zero, nothing on Scopus. Fails WP:NARCHITECT and WP:NARTIST. Netherzone (talk) 17:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As per Netherzone. Axad12 (talk) 06:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While an article created as part of a cluster could in principle meet our standards, this one doesn't. XOR'easter (talk) 06:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Stout

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Previously deleted and salted. This new creation must not escape review. Most of the sources are written in a clearly promotional tone and hence are probably not independent of the subject. As one egregious example, the first and last sources are clearly variations of the same press release - starting with In the dynamic arena of contemporary art, few names resonate as profoundly as Marko Stout vs. In the dynamic world of contemporary art, few names shine as brightly as Marko Stout‘s.* Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete again please. 4th nomination! fails WP:ARTIST. He not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giancarlo Turaccio

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An article on a non-notable adherent of Menotti Lerro's so-called Empathic Movement (Empathism), part of a "walled garden" type series of articles promoting Lerro and Empathism. All of the sources are primary/press-releases or promo. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:NACADEMIC. A before search finds a few things he wrote, but his h-index on Google Scholar and Scopus is non-existant. I did find something the Menotti Lerro wrote on him and other Empathism manifesto signatories, but that is obviously connected. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 01:43, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete — per nom. Empathism spam, no real evidence of notability. — Biruitorul ^Talk 10:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Netherzone. Axad12 (talk) 06:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elvio Annese

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Another article on a non-notable artist and professor from a "walled garden"-type series of articles promoting the "members" of Menotti Lerro's "movement/manifesto", Empathism and his New Manifesto of Arts. The subject of this article does not meet WP:GNG, all the sources are primary/connected except the Milano Today source that simple name-checks him in a mention. As an academic, he fails WP:NACADEMIC as he has a h-index of zero on Google Scholar and Scopus, and all I could find was an article written by Lerro about his own (Lerro's) so-called Empathic movement. I beleive this is WP:PROMO and should be deleted. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 01:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete — per nom. Empathism spam, no real evidence of notability. — Biruitorul ^Talk 10:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As per Netherzone. Axad12 (talk) 06:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angelo Casciello

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This article on an Italian artist is part of a sort-of "walled garden" of articles on artists and academics affiliated with Menotti Lerro's so-called movement, Empathism and who signed his manifesto. The subject of the article does not meet WP:GNG as the sources are all primary sources except, perhaps one, however that may be a press release. Fails WP:NARTIST. The article claims he was in the Venice Bienale 3 times, altho this could not be verified by the Venice Bienale itself [5]], so perhaps he was in one of the satellite shows but not represented in the actual Bienale. As an academic he fails WP:NACADEMIC, as there is an h-index score of zero on Google Scholar and Scopus I found a few things he wrote, but they were not cited by others. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 01:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete — per nom. Empathism spam, no real evidence of notability. — Biruitorul ^Talk 10:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment~~ Changing vote to Delete, per nomination. ~~This does look like a cookie-cutter article springing from Empathism. Leaving that aside, I see him in ALK online, and two exhibitions.~~ I cannnot, however, find RS for the claim that he was at the Venice Biennale three times, unless the source given https://www.accademiavirtuosi.it/accademici/biovirtuoso.php?id=20 is to be trusted. Perhaps I am searching the internet incorrectly, but I thought the Biennale was documented well by the Biennale. He has been quoted in the volume by Vittorio Sgarbi (edited by), La scultura del Novecento in Italia, in Enciclopedia Universale dell'Arte (Mondadori: 1990); in Gillo Dorfles, Ultime tendenze nell'arte oggi (Feltrinelli: 1999) and in Vittorio Sgarbi (edited by), Lo Stato dell’Arte / Campania 54 Biennale di Venezia (Skira publishing: 2011). is just a weird ~~claim~~ sentence. WP:CIR. ~~Not sure what to do about this one.~~--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As per Netherzone. Axad12 (talk) 06:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomasz Krezymon

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Non-notable musician and professor fails WP:NACADEMIC and WP:MUSICIAN. This article is one of a series of promotional articles (a walled garden of sorts) surrounding the so-called Empathism "movement" and the poet Menotti Lerro (who "invented" Empathism and wrote it's manifesto), and the "award" given to the people who adhere to Empathism. Other articles of questionable notability are the other "members" as well as Lerro's Cilento International Poetry Prize and others. Two SPA's are creating numerous articles that all connect back to Lerro (hence the "walled garden"), whose article on Italian Wikipedia has been deleted for lack of notability. The whole group of articles are WP:PROMO. Netherzone (talk) 01:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not all musicians are notable, no indication he meets NBIO and such. Not notable as written

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Delete. As per Netherzone. Axad12 (talk) 06:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dayfree Press

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While (some of) the webcomics that were part of Dayfree Press are notable, DP itself doesn't appear to have received significant coverage in reliable sources. There's this article in the The Comics Grid journal, which brings it up on p. 4 and 9 (and which could be considered sigcov, I guess). And there's also a Wired.com blog that says ~80 words about Dayfree Press. But I wasn't able to find more. toweli (talk) 08:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Hi toweli there are also mentions alongside other webcomic collectives in A History of Webcomics (2006) and Webcomics 2.0 (2008) also has a section on webcomics collectives. So combined with the Comics Grid Journal article you found...and possibly others (that don't mention Dayfree Press), my proposed solution as a WP:ATD (if you are interested) would be to create a new "List of webcomic collectives" article (if one doesn't already exist) and redirect Dayfree Press to that one. Happy editing! Cielquiparle (talk) 09:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Assuming there are enough sources, that sounds like a good idea and would allow Wikipedia to cover webcomic collectives which have received some coverage, but not enough for a standalone article. toweli (talk) 09:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jarrod Dortch

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Fails WP:NARTIST. No evidence. No indication of significance.Fails WP:SIGCOV. Chancer. scope_creep^Talk 22:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or otherwise merge: This article seems like significant coverage in a reliable source to me. There's an interview in a town tourism website, which may or may not be usable. Here is another interview on a radio show. This is a third interview that appears to be by a children's museum.

Also, according to NARTIST, there is "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work", so if the mural he helped paint was notable, then he may pass it. For coverage of the mural, see:

So, the real question is, can he be adequately covered in the main mural article (probably not if it is desired to keep the Solful Gardens content), and, does painting 1/18th of something count as a major role (it probably does). Mrfoogles (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That said it is a little bit on the line, so it wouldn't be that bad to merge unless there are more notable works he played a major role in or something. Given most of the other artists on the mural have articles, though, there might be an advantage in consistency. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article is terrible, its is promotional, talks about gardening and purports to be about an artist when its not. Its immense trash. There is no references. Those references above don't pass WP:THREE. There is no secondary coverage. scope_creep^Talk 23:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete WP:TOOSOON currently fails WP:ARTIST. He has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, or won significant critical attention, or been represented within the permanent collections of any notable galleries or museums. Seems more like WP:PROMO. The Black Lives Matter street mural (Indianapolis) was created by 18 artists, so a redirect is not appropriate, in my opinion. That some of the other artists have marginal or delete-able articles falls under WP:WHATABOUT. Source assessment table below. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://indyarts.org/			Home page of Indy Arts Council no mention of Jarrod Dortch	✘ No
https://farmflavor.com/indiana/solful-gardens-offers-community-a-new-source-for-fresh-produce/			Nice write up about his farm Solful Gardens Offers Community a New Source for Fresh Produce	✘ No
https://discovernewfields.org/newsroom/jarrod-dortch-local-legend	?	?	interview	✘ No
https://www.gregoryappel.com/generations/			no mention of Jarrod Dortc	✘ No
https://www.mixcloud.com/WQRT_Indianapolis/who-are-you-and-what-do-you-want-jarrod-dortch/	?	?	recorded interview on local station WQRT Indianapolis	✘ No
https://indyarts.org/			Home page of Indy Arts Council no mention of Jarrod Dortch	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKonRhfm1v8	?	?	local interview Newfields: A Place for Nature & the Arts.	✘ No
https://dmr.bsu.edu/digital/collection/BSUCmncPrg/id/7072/rec/8		?	2016 Ball State University winter commencement program and graduate roster	✘ No
https://butterartfair.com/butter-at-indys-home-court-artists-2/	?	?	? broken link	? Unknown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVlnyMzI4s			Interview on local The Children's Museum of Indianapolis YouTube	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Delete, Sources do not seem sufficient for notability. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete I'm rather torn on this one. I tried to find more sources and did some editing of the article but I just can't find enough sources to support an article. Also, some of the personal details in the article cannot be verified. Most of what I find is write-ups of him in publicity about art shows, and those cannot be considered independent. I do consider the article on his garden to be solid, differing from the above analysis of sources. I think he's close to being notable, but not yet. Lamona (talk) 03:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumbrella

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While the webcomics that are part of the alliance are notable, the alliance itself doesn't appear to have received significant coverage in reliable sources; I was only able to find mentions. The article was previously kept at an AfD (well, VfD), but that was back in 2004 when standards were very different. toweli (talk) 10:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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merge to Webcomic#Webcomics collectives seems like the best bet? Hobit (talk) 21:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Besides a listing in the colofon of Webcomics (2005), I got nothing. The sources in the article aren't particularly reliable either, so there's nothing for us to say on Dumbrella I'm afraid. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kira Hagi

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Her acting roles are small or in movies that aren't notable themselves and she hasn't established herself as a notable artist. While there is considerable media attention, much of it feels sensationalistic. I might be overlooking something since I don’t speak Romanian but her notability shouldn't simply stem from her father being a famous footballer (WP:INVALIDBIO) Ynsfial (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. She seems to have notability on her own as an actress, though is hard for me to evaluate the notability of the films she acted in.Anonimu (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be kept, she seems notable in her own country Natlaur (talk) 23:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gheorghe_Hagi#Personal_life -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I share the same thoughts, I've seen Kira Hagi's article and honestly I think the Article still have what to be improved, as the movies she acted in, e.g. 167.250.71.19 (talk) 21:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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