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Category:Lists of farms

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete, sole article added to Category:Agriculture-related lists. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. Down to 1 article after several others were deleted. Geschichte (talk) 22:56, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Czech politicians of Japanese descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Czech politicians. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 - in the two categories. Doesnt seem very defining. Rathfelder (talk) 22:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Destroyed landmarks in New Zealand

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As per other deletion noms, "destroyed" and "landmarks" are subjective - of the three subjects in the category, one is a redirect, the other two are already safely in Category:Buildings and structures demolished as a result of the 2011 Christchurch earthquake, a proper cat for an event which caused the destruction of a solid handful of buildings. SportingFlyer T·C 19:27, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Destroyed landmarks in Denmark

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As per other discussions, "destroyed" and "landmark" are both subjective, and we have other places for things. Only two buildings in this category, both of which are already properly in country-specific demolished or destroyed cats. SportingFlyer T·C 19:22, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Need for Speed games

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Category:Crazy Taxi video games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Pointless subcategory, almost nothing in parent category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:02, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Midnight Club games

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The result of the discussion was: do not merge; the target category was not nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Pointless subcategory, there is nothing in the parent category. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:00, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:MacOS massively multiplayer online role-playing games

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Category:Mon Wikipedia

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I'm not seeing why we need a separate category for this. Even if the Mon Wikipedia article is kept, there's nothing so special about it as to warrant an entire subcategory. Wikipedias in much more major languages don't have their own (sub)categories; why should this? Adam9007 (talk) 05:20, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello Admin Wikipedia this category I noticed is important for Mon Wikipedia this category can I use it or not don't misunderstand me, I am only trying to help Wikipedia, I would mostly like to help Mon Wikipedia, most are Mon people read too little books, because Mon people doesn't have a government school Most of them go to learn Mon language, they have to go to Monk temple, Burmese government school, he only teaches in Burmese language, Mon's technology has not yet grown, I would like to ask for help Admin Wikipedia, thanks my name is 咽頭べさ (talk) 07:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC) all that I have said, I am not lying,[reply]
No one here will question your good intentions per WP:GOODFAITH. The purpose of this board is to discuss whether categories are WP:DEFINING and help readers navigate between articles. (Note that I reformatted the above comment and interpret it as "oppose".) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:09, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional magic school students

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Move to a title that is less of a grammatical pretzel. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lordship of Botrun

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The result of the discussion was: merge as WP:SOFTDELETE. German Wikipedia has six articles on individual Lords of Botrun, so there is a possibility of recreating the category in future. See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8972926. – Fayenatic London 23:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why do not preserve the status quo? Borsoka (talk) 05:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bleach episode lists

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:33, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per article title Bleach (TV series) and per actual content about seasons. This was earlier opposed for speedy renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
copy of CFDS discussion
@Gonnym and Armbrust: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American people of Iraqi-Arab descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge. There is a rough consensus that the nominated category should not exist. The issue of whether to merge or to delete outright did not reach a consensus, so I'm defaulting to merge to retain the information. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Arabs are the majority group on Iraq. We do not usually have subcategories for majority groups, per WP:OCEGRS. There is no other Iraqi-Arab descent category. It is most likely that many or most of the 67 individuals in the target category (and the 73 in Category:Iraqi emigrants to the United States) also have Arab descent, so there is little rationale to single out the 11 articles in this category. This illustrates how unpractical and hard to maintain such a category is. Also note that Iraqi Arabs redirects to Iraqis. Place Clichy (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: a dual merge to Category:American people of Arab descent could in theory be feasible for articles for which it is defining, but in practice this category is a container for so-called 'Arab countries', regardless of the ethnicity, and Category:American people of Iraqi descent is already a subcategory. Place Clichy (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. We might have ethnic descent categories for minority groups like Kurds, but certainly not for majority groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- There are several sibling categories for other ethnicities, including Jewish and Assyrian. People in this category will be Arabic speaking and probably Muslim. The others probably speak Arabic as an everyday language, but have other languages for worship, etc. This is a well-established distinction throughout the Middle East, resulting from the former Ottoman milet system, where religious leaders were responsible for the behaviour of their (endogamous) communities. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:34, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unnecessary descent category suffering the usual problems. How much descent is sufficient; how recent must it be; and how is it documented/verified? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:41, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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That is my point - Arabs were not the majority of Iraqis by the early 20th century. They were one of the two largest ethnic groups (about 30-35% of Iraqis), but not the majority (>>50%) of all Iraqi population, while substantial other ethnic groups co-existed including most notably Kurds (nearly 30-35% at the time), Turkmen (10-15%), Assyro-Chaldeans (~15%), Persians (~5%), Iraqi Jews (~3%), Yezidis (~2%) and other smaller minorities (~2%). Today, Arabs are more than 75% of Iraqis, but applying this current majority on the past is anachronistic. We should avoid anachronistic thinking in my humble opinion. Viewing Iraq as an Arab (or Arab-majority) country is a very recent phenomenon, which came into being due to aggressive Arabization during the 20th century, which turned Arabs from large group into majority, while driving other ethnic groups to become minorities in Iraqi diaspora and even closing to extinction.GreyShark (dibra) 07:47, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely, while Jewish, Assyrian etc. ethnicities have a decent category structure, this cannot be said at all for Arab categories which contain every national category of countries in the Arab League are are not understood as ethnicity categories. This may indeed be a result of what you call agressive Arabization, or let's just say for short that in the Middle East everybody who natively speaks Arabic is an Arab, especially seen from outside the region. It says a lot that we have an Iraqi-Arab category for people in the United States, but not for people in Iraq, and not Iraqi Arabs article but just a redirect to Iraqis. Looking quickly at the articles in the nominated category, nothing is said e.g. in Mahmoud Saeed or Alise Alousi or any other that they would self-identify with the Iraqi-Arab compound (in the sense of the majority ethnic group of Iraq excluding minorites), or that their Iraqi ascendancy comes from this group. The word Arab is instead used either because their language is Arabic, their work is in Arabic, or they are identified as Arab American just because they are from the Middle East and are perceived as such in a generic fashion, or are active in Middle-East related causes. The scheme you seem to suggest, based on a stricter reading of what defines the Arab ethnicity, could work, only if we remove national subcategories for every Arab category and use them strictly for individuals that reliable sources define as ethnic Arabs (rather than just from an "Arab" country). I do recognize that it would have a certain logic, however it would be a huge work, and seen how ethnic categories are currently applied with a shovel by good-faith editors merely because they exist, I do not think this could be maintained in the long run. Place Clichy (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Dostlug Order

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
When Soviet, Russian and other foreign leaders or performers visit Azerbaijan, the Dostlug Order is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. In the category, 4 of the article mention the award in passing and 15 don't even mention the award so it's clearly not defining. There wasn't a list so I created one here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:36, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Honorary degree recipients from Kerala

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCLOCATION
This category groups people from the Indian state of Kerala who have received an honorary degree from any university or college. In the articles, this is not treated as defining and the "degrees" (it is often plural) are listed with other honors. There is a subset of articles here that do mention the award in the intro, which usually suggests it's defining, but all the ones I checked are recent edits from the creator of this category (for instance here and here). The earlier honory degree categories we deleted were all by awarding institution and I'm also not clear on why we would group them by a geographic area. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:36, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Harvest Moon games

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Story of Seasons games, which is well-reasoned as the better option. The Bushranger One ping only 06:32, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The current main article of this category appears to be Story of Seasons (aka the series formerly known as Harvest Moon). A name change seems to be in order, although due to the tricky nature of this series I thought I'd gather consensus on what it should be called. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:22, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Murder by year and country

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The result of the discussion was: keep. 2 opposes versus 1 support. (non-admin closure) Train of Knowledge (Talk) 23:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It was agreed at the Speedy page that it would be worth holding a full discussion on a mass nomination to rename all "crimes" categories to "crime", as they are mostly mixed set and topic categories. However, that would require a lot of work, and this nomination is not it. In the meantime, these intermediate categories should be renamed to be consistent with siblings in Category:Murder by year/Category:Murder by decade. – Fayenatic London 16:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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