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September 13

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Category:OpenNIC

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete; merge contents to Category:Alternative Internet DNS services. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:34, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one entry; not obvious why this has it’s own category, it would make sense in the parent one, so upmerge with that and delete. JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lithuanian Youtube Personalities

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The result of the discussion was: delete (category was still empty at close). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete as the appropriate category already exists as Category:Lithuanian YouTubers. Tassedethe (talk) 23:11, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Skwxwu7mesh people

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Squamish people (individuals). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Subject lead is Squamish people, seems only appropriate that the categories should follow.Labattblueboy (talk) 20:51, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, Talk:Squamish people#Requested_move_2 contains a RM related to the Skwxwu7mesh vs. Squamish naming.--Labattblueboy (talk) 09:11, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There is an Category:People from Squamish, British Columbia‎ to refelct that diference.--Labattblueboy (talk) 12:30, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Which the target category is ambiguous with. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How so? Bearcat (talk) 04:51, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dukes of Lothier

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:33, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT with Category:Dukes of Brabant‎. As the article Duke of Lothier explains, this concerns an honorific title of the Dukes of Brabant. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fictional victims of child abuse

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename; this is without prejudice to a nomination for deletion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. My proposed naming, seems similar and less complicated than the former. NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:39, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Child abuse is a recurring theme in fiction, but not all victims are "survivors". I have no idea, however, what is a category about incest in fiction doing as a subcategory of this. Incest is not limited to children. Dimadick (talk) 14:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Destroyed landmarks in Belgium

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The result of the discussion was: delete (category has remained empty). Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization; "Demolished buildings and structures in Belgium" and "Former buildings and structures in Belgium" already exist. Tridek Sep (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Alam family

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:35, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not notable enough to make a category about it. Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 13:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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RfC births and deaths categorization scheme

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The result of the discussion was: RfC has closed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia_talk:Categorization_of_people#RfC:_BC_births_and_deaths_categorization_scheme.

Background: see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_30#1st_to_6th_century_BC_deaths. The categories have been merged based on consensus but an editor who hadn't participated in the discussion notified that the delete was against guidelines that hadn't been taken into consideration during the CfD discussion. A DRV followed with 'no consensus' as outcome (implying that the merging has not been reverted). Now the RfC has been set up to re-discuss the issue while also considering the respective guidelines. Please join this RfC, especially if you have done so in the original discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the cross-link! RevelationDirect (talk) 11:44, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Centuries in Belgium

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The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξxplicit 23:01, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename since in these periods the geographical area of the Southern Netherlands was, roughly, identical to current Belgium and Luxembourg. At least it also covers the prince-bishopric of Liège, which was not part of the Habsburg (Spanish, Austrian) Netherlands. Suggest to keep Luxembourg categories of these periods as they are, but make them child categories of Southern Netherlands in addition. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:40, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Burgundian Netherlands can't be a contemporary substitute for pre-16th-century Belgium since not all counties and duchies in current Belgium belonged to it all the time. However, as with all countries, we can just maintain the 21st-century name as the category name in case history goes so far back that a contemporary substitute cannot meaningfully be defined. Which is clearly the case with Belgium before the 16th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Burgundian Netherlands will work for most of what is now Belgium for roughly 1450-1480, but it still leaves a fair amount out, and isn't really useful at all pre-1420. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 21:53, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- We might have specified Spanish Netherlands and then Austrian Netherlands, but they were not specifically Spanish until the death of the Emperor Charles V, and were not separate from the other Netherlands until the Spanish took control of them towards the beginning of the 80 years war. Burgundian Netherlands might be appropriate for the 15th century. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:49, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Belgium is an anachronistic term at this point.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fragaria (aka Strawberries)

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Fragaria species to Category:Fragaria; users free to create a Category:Strawberries subcategory. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COMMONNAME
"Fragaria" is the Latin name for the genus of plants that produce strawberries. I think that botany term makes sense for Category:Fragaria species (which I created) since most of those articles are also in Latin and the readers would be interested in the overall plant. But, for the parent category, most readers would be interested in strawberries as a fruit so having it under the common name would better aid navigation. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Notified Bogdangiuscaas the category creator and this discussion has been included in WikiProject Food and drink. – RevelationDirect (talk) 01:16, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree that the present set up is wrong. The hierarchy is:
Category:Fragaria – under the name of entire genus
Category:Fragaria species – by all precedent and consistency this should not exist; we never have categories like this for the species of a genus; species articles are categorized under the genus name
– various categories for strawberry-related topics, such as Category: Strawberry sodas
"Strawberries", as used in everyday language, are a subcategory of Fragaria. So a better category hierarchy would be:
Category:Fragaria – for all articles related to the genus, both cultivated and wild species and uses
Category:Strawberries – there could then be a single subcategory to hold all articles and subcategories related to cultivated Fragaria species
Category:Fragaria species should be deleted. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:14, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this seems the best approach to me, and unless anyone else comes along soon and dissents, go ahead. An example is Category:Vitis, with the subcategory Category:Grape. The other possibility is just to mix them all up as at Category:Citrus, but I think this is less helpful to readers. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, I modified the nomination. (The current proposal is now eligible for a Speedy move but I'll leave the discussion here to avoid confusion.) RevelationDirect (talk) 11:49, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Non-governmental organizations based in Afghanistan

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural nomination for a rename. Note that this also includes the child category, Category:Non-governmental organizations operating in Afghanistan; it would be absurd to rename one but not the other.
  • AusLondonder nominated this for speedy, because it's a child of Category:Organisations based in Afghanistan, but I opposed it because it's also a child of Category:Non-governmental organizations. AusLondonder didn't offer a further reason for renaming (normally you don't need to), but my rationale was basically that, in the absence of national ties to a particular spelling, a national category should follow the broad topic's spelling. In other words, we should prefer the spelling of the broad topic's tree to the spelling of the country's tree in situations such as Afghanistan, where the country doesn't have a significant local variety of English (unlike Indian English and Pakistani English, there is no article on Afghan English or Afghani English) that we need to follow. So basically, since I think we should follow the topic tree instead of the country tree, we should continue using "Organizations" because the topic does, instead of renaming to "Organisations" because the non-WP:TIES country does. Nyttend (talk) 00:18, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It seems to me like it would be more difficult to have some country specific spelling preferences (US, UK, NZ) and have others that are subject specific (organizations, harbours in non-English speaking countries). Sure, our current approach gives preferences to countries that have no preference, but organisations and harbors don't have a preference as to how they're spelled either. But really, I don't mind your approach. Let's just pick a clear standard (yours, mine, someone else's) so that t AusLondonder's non-controversial renames can stay in WP:CFDS where they belong. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
As I re-read that, I sound a little grouchy but it's not directed at you. Based on our conversation at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Regional English Spellings with the WP:C2A and WP:C2C Speedy Criteria, I'm thinking rewriting WP:C2C is probably needed here.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:44, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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