Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zvart Sarkissian

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The result was delete. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:53, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zvart Sarkissian

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While this person exists, I cannot find sufficient RS coverage of them (more than bare mentions) to support a finding of notability. Tagged for notability since August 2010. Epeefleche (talk) 07:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It wasn't hard to find five more sources which I just added. And this Wikipedia search shows she is linked from three other articles. Many unchallenged bios have far less notability. CarolMooreDC 16:51, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which of those refs do you consider to be both: a) independent RSs, and b) more than trivial bare mentions? For example, the bio at a Naxos Records page on someone else, that mentions him in one sentence, is neither an independent RS nor non-trivial, and does not count towards notability. The same with the kadmous blog bio on someone else, that mentions him in one sentence. And the school newspaper article that mentions him in one sentence does not count at all towards notability (articles in a school or university newspaper would generally be considered trivial, and this bare mentions clearly is trivial). The same with the TimeOut listing of a concert that your offer as evidence of notability. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 17:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"He" is a she. Being an inclusionist I think it's useful to have some info available for people who want to find out who she is from her two most notable student's articles. The sources aren't the greatest, but neither are they suspect. I'm sure we could all go through certain categories and find people we could bring up for deletion on your criteria, but does that really help the sum of human knowledge? CarolMooreDC 23:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies as to the subject's gender. My problem with the indicated sources is that they are precisely the sort of sources that -- as indicated -- are of no moment in demonstrating notability for wp purposes, per our notability guidelines. Sources that do not count towards notability, but are not "suspect", still fail to demonstrate the subject's notability for wp purposes. If you wish to have what wp views as trivial mentions count towards notability, and mention in school papers count towards notability, and concert listing count towards notability, you may wish to change our notability guidelines, and perhaps you will gain support. But as our guidelines stand, these don't demonstrate notability for our purposes. As I said at the outset, I concede that this person exists. But these refs fail to reflect the subject meeting our notability standards.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 09:32, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - it does not appear that there are any sources that actually discuss this person. All I see are sources (and not even high-profile) that discuss her in passing, and that is not enough to establish notability. Pantherskin (talk) 13:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of notability. --Cox wasan (talk) 18:17, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A teacher who seems to get regular passing mentions in press reviews of her notable ex-pupils' concerts. I'd suggest giving this discussion at least an extra week or so to allow interested editors to try to find more significant reliable coverage - if this doesn't turn up, redirect to Abdel Rahman El Bacha. PWilkinson (talk) 12:19, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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