User talk:Jkaharper

On 27 September 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Benny Golson, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if Bill Olle was still alive, and found information at http://rosma.co.uk/mw/oba/index.php?title=T._William_Olle saying he died in 2019, so I added this to his Wikipedia page, only to discover you had deleted the same information as "unsourced" a couple of weeks ago. Not sure what to do about this: how much evidence do you need? Most Wikipedia articles don't cite sources for date of birth and death as it's easily verified in the public record, so adding a citation seems pointless. Mhkay (talk) 23:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have now confirmed the data with FindMyPast: Title MR Postcode district KT12 First name(s) Thomas William Postcode sector KT12 1 Last name Olle County Surrey Sex Male Country England Death year 2019 Record set England & Wales Deaths 2007-2024 Death date 27 Mar 2019 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Residence Walton-On-Thames Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Postcode area KT Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales © MiExact Ltd Mhkay (talk) 23:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mhkay:, Hi. Thanks for the messages. The first source in your original message above is another Wiki. Other Wikis are not considered to be reliable sources as per WP:RS as they can be edited by anyone. FindMyPast is not reliable either as it falls under WP:OR. We need a proper published source before we can add a date of death, otherwise it's a serious violation of WP:BLP – adding death dates without reliable sources is irresponsible and has led to problems on here before, hence why we have such strict policies. I don't know why you believe "Most Wikipedia articles don't cite sources for date of birth and death as it's easily verified in the public record, so adding a citation seems pointless" – that is total nonsense. The vast majority of biographies on here cite sources for birth and death details, but ALL should. If a source cannot be accessed, the information should be removed. That's always been policy round here, and it's somewhat worrying that you're an editor and don't appreciate this. Maybe read up on WP:BLP, WP:RS, WP:MS and WP:OR before continuing with your contributions. Thanks again. --Jkaharper (talk) 23:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree strongly with your interpretation. The facts are easily verifiable and not contentious, and it's not at all clear what I have to do to satisfy your objections. Do I have to apply to the record office for a copy of the death certificate? No, I expect you'd reject that as original research, not a published source. Perhaps I can post a death notice in a local newspaper myself, and then cite that as a published source? I have no idea what game you are playing here. What hurdles are you asking me to jump over?

What specific statement in WP:BLP are you referring to? It seems to me to make it entirely clear that citations are needed only for statements that are contentious or not easily verifiable. Mhkay (talk) 09:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not Jkaharper but I've been following the discussion. You referred to WP:BLP, citations are needed only for statements that are contentious or not easily verifiable., and wrote about difficulties with supplying a reliable source, Do I have to apply to the record office for a copy of the death certificate? No, I expect you'd reject that as original research, not a published source. Perhaps I can post a death notice in a local newspaper myself, and then cite that as a published source?. So if clearly you're having a hard time sourcing the death date, how can you say The facts are easily verifiable? Robby.is.on (talk) 10:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On 3 October 2024, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Richard S. Hamilton, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 21:52, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]