Throughthemind

Thanks for creating James Clark (Bible Christian)'s article. Having looked at the LCS photograph [1] there is only one other person that would qualify for a Wikipedia article. Peter Foxcroft [2], [3] [4] Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the suggestion. I've made a start on his article here: Peter Foxcroft Throughthemind (talk) 21:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nice work, there is a list of early vice president of the Vegetarian Society here [5]. We have covered most of them. Sadly some will not qualify for an article. I believe at some point it would be worth updating the Vegetarian Society Wikipedia article with notable members. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am looking over the 1886 list of vice-presidents [6]:

I will look up those who do not have articles. Lady Mount-Temple might be Georgina Cowper-Temple, Lady Mount Temple? Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

In regard to Rev W. J. Monk, we do have a photograph [7]. He died in 1896, I will try and locate some other information. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nice, I'll see what I can do. William Harvey[1] would also qualify for a an article as he served as president of the society. Throughthemind (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I wonder if a navigational box for the Vegetarian Society, like this would be be good. Throughthemind (talk) 18:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes a navigational box for the VS is a good idea. I have created a section for the presidents on the article [8]. A lot of the presidents are missing and need to be added. One contradictory piece of information I have found is W. A. Sibly (William Arthur Sibly), born 14 May 1883 died September 20th, 1959 is listed in Whos Who as being the President of the Vegetarian Society from 1938, however this couldn't have been correct because Peter Freeman (politician) was the President during this time. There is some information about Sibly here [9] Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Maxwell Lee (1931-2005) was a President of the Vegetarian Society but I do not know the exact dates. There is an obituary of him here [10], [11]. After this, the President was probably Paul McCartney. It's odd that nobody on the internet has ever tried to compile an accurate list of the Presidents until myself doing it now. The VC no longer has a President. Psychologist Guy (talk) 00:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nice work on the template. It does seem strange that it's never been compiled. I'll add additional people if I find them.

Maybe we should still add Sibly. It would be nice to have the years served for the presidents and maybe the vice-presidents if they can be found. Throughthemind (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I will send out some emails and try and find out about when Sibly was President. I have read several newspaper clippings saying he was President in 1951. I am guessing he was President for about 10 or 12 years. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've made an article for W. A. Sibly. Throughthemind (talk) 17:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your work, you have put a lot of hours in creating very detailed well sourced articles. I am disappointed that the modern VS is not interested in covering its own history. All they have on their website is a single very weak article. It doesn't mention any of the Presidents or vice-Presidents. It's a bit odd how you can have a society with such a fascinating history as this but the modern CEO doesn't want to document it. You and me probably know more about the Society's history than the staff. It's all very odd. People have tried to reach out to them for four years but there is no reply if you ask about its history. Unfortunately their archives are no longer available for public viewing. The VS used to be great, it's a shame that is no longer what it was in its glory days. They used to have meetings with 2000 and 3000 people showing up in halls, and all sorts of regional events and talks. Now all they do is beg for donations. Psychologist Guy (talk) 22:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

No problem. It's very frustrating for sure. It would be good for the wider public to learn about the history of the movement and the society. I'd imagine many people see vegetarianism as a "trendy" new thing, when it actually stretches back quick far through history. Throughthemind (talk) 14:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

On Anna Kingsford's Wikipedia article there has been a claim in the lead for many years that she founded the "Food Reform Society" in 1881. I believe this is a mistake. In the 1880s there were a lot of "Reform Societies" in the UK competing with each other to promote vegetarianism [12]. It is noted in 1885 that the Food Reform Society merged into the Vegetarian Society [13]. This was the London Food Reform Society (also known as the National Food Reform Society). There doesn't appear to be any good sourcing claiming that Kingsford created the Food Reform Society, this source merely states she was a contributor [14]. From what I have seen the London Food Reform Society was created in 1877 by T. R. Allinson [15]. It is likely that false information has been on her Wikipedia article for a long time. If you Google this you find modern articles and books copying the Wikipedia page. Historians have not bothered to fact-check the information. When I have got some more time I will write a small section about the Food Reform Society on the Vegetarian Society article. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

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I have been emailed some of the recent CEO/president of the Vegetarian Society:

• Maxwell Lee (2000)
• Dr Annette Pinner (June/July 2006)
• Dr Jon Green (December 2010)
• Lynn Elliott (March 2013-September 2021)
• Richard McIlwain (September 2021 - present)

Interestingly they stopped using the term President after Maxwell Lee, then there was just a CEO of the Vegetarian Society. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also some more information here [16]. John le Grice was a Deputy President. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I will create an article for Maxwell Lee. I am not sure if the other will qualify. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nice, thanks. Do you have any dates for when Kathy Silk and Paul McCartney served as president? Throughthemind (talk) 16:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

My understanding is that Maxwell Lee was the last President. I am not fully convinced that Paul McCartney was ever a President, I believe he was a patron. There is one newspaper source describing him as President but I believe it was a misprint. I have not seen any confirmation. Kathy Silk died in 2017 [17], I will check for other dates. Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nice one, thanks. I'd say we should probably move McCartney. Throughthemind (talk) 15:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I managed to work out the dates for Maxwell's Lee presidency. Kathy Silk died aged 80 in 2017, she converted to veganism in 1991 [18] p. 40. In regard to Kathy Silk she was definitely the president in 1996, unfortunately I can't find out the gap of the VC president from 1989-1996. Silk was not the president during the early 90s. During this phase there was a lot of infighting within the Vegetarian Society. There is some brief mention here [19] Dr Alan Long was VC's former research adviser before resigning [20] (this source says he was expelled in 1992 [21]). The CEO during the early 1990s was Philip Lloyd who also resigned.

Alan Long was an interesting character [22], he was also involved in the Vegan Society (there is a photograph of him in 1965) p. 4 [23]. He formed VEGA (Vegetarian and Green Agriculture) [24]. He died aged 92 in 2017 [25]. His mother Kathleen Long founded Beauty Without Cruelty. Kathy Silk will not qualify for a Wikipedia article but Alan Long would. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am doing some research into the Animals' Friend Society. It was formed by Lewis Gompertz in the 1800s. John Cadbury was an early member. It was later revived by Ernest Bell who was a council member. In 1933, Jessey Wade merged it into the National Council for Animals' Welfare. The Animals' Friend Society would qualify for an article. I will look into it. If you know of any other details let me know. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hey, nice idea. T. Forster was a founding member. The English writer Thomas Hardy was a supporter.

Here's a few sources:

• https://www.oxforddnb.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/9780198614128.001.0001/odnb-9780198614128-e-10934
• http://www.concentric-literature.url.tw/issues/Animals/2.pdf
• https://www.animalsandsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/li.pdf
• https://link.springer.com/book/10.1057/978-1-137-52651-9
• https://wellcomecollection.org/works/m7ht6nv7/items
• https://www.animals24-7.org/2024/04/01/how-jewish-vegan-lewis-gompertz-founded-animal-advocacy/

Throughthemind (talk) 14:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the list, this is on my to-do-list for the next few months so I will definitely look at those sources for when I create the article. If you check the RSPCA article I have added a section at the bottom for Presidents [26]. Unfortunately no historian has documented every president so it will be hard to connect all the pieces of evidence for old journals and newspaper reports. I will be the first to do it. One issue is that the RSPCA has had 100s of local Presidents for different counties. I am only interested in documenting the presidents for the main RSPCA, not local level. Do you have any idea who was the president before Richard Ryder? Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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I created an article for Robert H. Perks. This is the only image I have been able to find so far [27], if you come across any better photographs let me know. I have had a look but can't find anything else. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I'm not sure if it's the same person, but I found this: https://collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/resource/PRG+119/35/38 Throughthemind (talk) 14:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the help. I have had a good look at this, I am not sure if it is the same person. If you look at the other more distance picture I cited above of Perks from 1891, the man looks thinner with a different hairline. I am sure a valid photograph will turn up, I will keep looking. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello Throughthemind,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Felix Ortt for deletion, because it seems to be copied from another source, probably infringing copyright.

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Wolverine XI ^{(talk to me)} 14:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, I don't believe it was infringement, but I've reworded the article anyway and left a note on the talk page. Would be grateful if you could remove the speedy deletion template. Throughthemind (talk) 15:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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