Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michel Lanskoy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michel Lanskoy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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sourced to databases. this is one of those articles on non-notable sportspeople. lettherebedarklight晚安 07:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and France. lettherebedarklight晚安 07:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep. I agree that there is no coverage to pass WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC, but he won medals at three different World Table Tennis Championships and this may be enough. Chiserc (talk) 09:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  enough? for what??? lettherebedarklight晚安 11:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It may be enough to validate notability. I think with a WP:BEFORE could be easily seen that there is coverage, so my statement about no coverage is actually not correct, it requires much better research on not-easily-found historical sources. Apart from the source Alpha3031 found, I found a mention of Michel Lanskoy on Dagblad voor Amersfoort and a mention in the Table Tennis magazine (Vol. 10 March, 1952). Because it is an athlete of 1940s-1950s, it requires a research beyond websites, mainly on historic newspapers and magazines. Although I can't investigate French language sources easily, I also found mentions of Michel Lanskoy on International herald tribune, many reports on L'Athlète (Bordeaux) and Libération. So it's not weak, but keep for me. Chiserc (talk) 12:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• There's a chance he appears in contemporaneous French newspapers, but the article as it stands fails WP:GNG and if he's not in those newspapers, the article would need to be deleted. I don't know how to search those newspapers, though, so my !vote should be considered as a very soft one. SportingFlyer T·C 11:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• I'm no expert on French sources but there seems to be some newspaper coverage? Like, in the Wednesday issue of L'Athlète: "Le champion du monde de tennis de table Bergmann: devrait faire triompher la sélection anglaise devant Bordrez - Lanskoy". @Lettherebedarklight, can I ask if you've found any foreign language sources at all, whether or not you've fully evaluated them? Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  i did not find that in my source search. lettherebedarklight晚安 12:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  For English language sources, there's also some coverage in the November 1965 Sports Illustrated, Spongers Seldom Chisel: But the big match was Satoh-Lanskoy. Everyone was waiting to see that one." "Michel Lanskoy? The Frenchman? Why him?" asked an eager junior. "He's not so good." I'd say the SIGCOV here is more of Satoh than Lanskoy, but this is just from the fully indexed and online searchable sources, I would be very surprised if there wasn't more. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:49, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The fact he appeared in Sports Illustrated at all suggests to me there has to be more out there in French? It's not impossible it's a fluke, but that seems a fairly significant mention. SportingFlyer T·C 13:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I am now confident that this can be retained. Keep as well. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not absolutely convinced it's a keep yet - I'd like another source just to be sure. I'd just be surprised if we've found the extent to which he's been covered though. SportingFlyer T·C 14:21, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Don't see why it has been nominated for deletion, multiple bronze medals in the Swaythling Cup (the worlds biggest table tennis team event, along with women's equivalent). I can only presume it is a lack of understanding of sport that has prompted the nomination. ApricotFoot (talk) 11:33, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 03:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.