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::::@{{u|Ear-phone}}, It seems you misunderstood me. I apologize if I might have been unclear in my previous reply. I do not (as you said) "expect someone else to present a neutral point of view." I always try to maintain NPOV in my edits as I thought I made clear in my previous reply. I am simply recognising that the pursuit of NPOV requires a collective effort. That things that might seem NPOV to some people might not seem NPOV to others. In reply to your point on the biographies section I would like to point out that the full section of that policy states "contentious material about living persons '''that is unsourced or poorly sourced''' should be removed immediately and without discussion." The section in question clearly was not "unsourced" and I do not believe that that section was poorly sourced, indeed it cites multiple sources. As such it wild be improper to remove it without first discussing the issue on the talk page. I don't see how the possibility that the Controversy section of the subject's page is the longest is relevant here. I saw that there was an issue of public interest being talked about in the public in multiple reliable sources (or sources usually regarded as reliable) and I decided to make a contribution that I thought would improve the relevant article based upon that source. I did so in [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|good faith]] and in the belief that it was notable and in the public interest. I make these sorts of edits all the time as do thousands of other Wikipedia editors on a regular basis. I still believe these references are good sources, both in general and on the subject at hand here. If you disagree with that then we will need to discuss, on the article talk page, why you believe the sources I used are bad or otherwise untrustworthy.--[[User:Discott|Discott]] ([[User talk:Discott#top|talk]]) 22:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up. I suppose it is now becoming a bit long and janky thanks to all the competition notifications I get.--Discott (talk) 09:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Discott, Hope you been well spamming everyone with Wikimania 2022 invites. I just want to enquire about Wikimedia ZA Membership. I recently filled out the Google form and want to know how I can make a crypto currency donation and What I could do to help. TapticInfo (talk) 07:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TapticInfo, thank you for the enquirey and I see that you have made an application to join the chapter which is great! Shupai should have gotten back to you confirming your membership by now. If not then please let me know. The application process is straight forward in that it simply involves filing out a short form and making an annual donation of any amount to the chapter. The donation acts as the membership due. You are more than welcome to make the donation in crypto. The best way to help is just to get involved in chapter activities by volunteering to help out with events, attending meetups (it has been great seeing you in them), and/or offering to organise your own Wiki related events. --Discott (talk) 10:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Discott:, Thanks for getting back to me. I haven’t received a Email from Shupai yet. TapticInfo (talk) 19:04, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Again, Shupai Has reached out on my talk page, I think there was an error with me filling out the Google form, but I’m still waiting for an email and where to donate. TapticInfo (talk) 17:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello @Discott. Your recent edits seem to be quite one-sided because the media reports you cite have some glaring inaccuracies. Since Wikipedia has a neutral point of view policy, here is the statement from UCT rebutting several of the media claims. It is also interesting that her recent African Education Medal was not mentioned at all, but only inaccurate information which may paint her in an unfavorable light. Ear-phone (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobbyshabangu Ear-phone (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ear-phone, thank you for pointing out the rebuttal and the need to add it to the relevant page. I did try to be neutral by adding statements the VC's self proclaimed supporters made but I had not seen the the UCT rebuttal by the time I made those additions. I also feel that adding citations from additional sources would be good for the article and NPOV because currently the section is too heavily reliant on the Daily Maverick. Please do add the new citations you have mentioned. I can also do it but I feel it would be better for NPOV if someone else also contributed to this section. As for inaccuracies within the media sources (mostly Daily Maverick I assume), beyond the ones I read about (and disputed/refuted by the Daily Maverick) in this article (which I read this morning) I am not aware of any in these sources. That is why I think it needs more people than just me editing that article and section as there will be more people picking up on these sorts of issues. --Discott (talk) 16:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Discott. Thank you for the links. I had already added the Africa Medal Award. My primary question is: Why do you find (contested) prejudicial content on the UCT Vice-Chancellor despite the fact that there is bona fide (non-contested) favorable content as well? Why do you expect someone else to present a neutral point of view, while you edit in a particular way?
Wikipedia has a policy regarding Biographies of living persons, which states that, "Contentious material about living persons...must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". The section on controversy is arguably the longest, also detailing events from her first term, yet this is a UCT Vice-Chancellor who was re-appointed to a second term resoundingly via an extensive consultative process.
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Ear-phone (talk) 17:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ear-phone, It seems you misunderstood me. I apologize if I might have been unclear in my previous reply. I do not (as you said) "expect someone else to present a neutral point of view." I always try to maintain NPOV in my edits as I thought I made clear in my previous reply. I am simply recognising that the pursuit of NPOV requires a collective effort. That things that might seem NPOV to some people might not seem NPOV to others. In reply to your point on the biographies section I would like to point out that the full section of that policy states "contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion." The section in question clearly was not "unsourced" and I do not believe that that section was poorly sourced, indeed it cites multiple sources. As such it wild be improper to remove it without first discussing the issue on the talk page. I don't see how the possibility that the Controversy section of the subject's page is the longest is relevant here. I saw that there was an issue of public interest being talked about in the public in multiple reliable sources (or sources usually regarded as reliable) and I decided to make a contribution that I thought would improve the relevant article based upon that source. I did so in good faith and in the belief that it was notable and in the public interest. I make these sorts of edits all the time as do thousands of other Wikipedia editors on a regular basis. I still believe these references are good sources, both in general and on the subject at hand here. If you disagree with that then we will need to discuss, on the article talk page, why you believe the sources I used are bad or otherwise untrustworthy.--Discott (talk) 22:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]