Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive122

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

asad (talk) 14:19, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

פארוק (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, WP:ARBPIA#Editors reminded

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

These are a collection of diffs from only the past month. I could add more, but it would be just more of the same.

1. 08/17/12 - "i write in wikipedia 8 years and in the last month some people from muslim countries are deleting information about israel"
2. 08/14/12 - "i am 8 years in wikipedia and in the last time i see here a lot of hete to Israel or Jews."
3. 08/14/12 - "Not once nor twice i was attacked on my own Personal page by others writters without a signature !. they write to me Anti-Semitic epithets against Jews And against Israel !. And I also want to say that I see here many people trying to do everything possible to delete articles or Reading sections about Israel, especially when it written about Jerusalem with many writters who hates jews"
4. 08/14/12 - "i only say that wikipedia let others people write about Palestine although it state that does not exist ! , While others can't write true facts about Israel."
5. 08/13/12 - "jews never was African and have nothing to africa."
6. 08/12/12 - "Did the anti semitic BBC delet Jerusalem as thc capital of israel and put a picture of a soldier to write that is a stste called: Palestine ?"
7. 08/03/12 - "On the Talk Page of the article of "Israel" There are whole paragraphs of anti-Semites calling delete the word "Jerusalem" as Israel's capital, And this is in addition to some trolls who write Against Jews."
8. 08/03/12 - "I don't know how much you're anti-Semitic. But to say that Jerusalem is not a Jewish capital is the most anti-Semitic in the world !"
9. 07/26/12 - "the Anti semitic British did not change from 1948"
10. 07/23/12 - "so it is a very big lie to say that is a "Palestine people" beacus there is no such thing in our time"

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Warned on 05/23/11 by Dailycare (talk · contribs) to cease from calling users anti-Semitic, as it is a violation of WP:Civil
2. Warned on 09/08/11 by myself for a violation of the 1RR. Also notified of sanctions relating to WP:ARBPIA and not to add unsourced information to articles per WP:UNSOURCED
3. Warned on 10/02/11 by myself not to WP:SOAPBOX on article talk pages
4. Warned on 08/03/12 by Dennis Brown (talk · contribs) to refrain from personal attacks per WP:NPA
5. Warned on 08/14/12 by Mdann52 (talk · contribs) about personal attacks

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This user obviously has no intention of working collaboratively. Besides their pure lack of disregard for WP:ARBPIA, WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA, their edits are almost always unsourced and plagued with all sorts of grammar errors that make it nearly impossible to copy-edit. Even when counseled ([1],[2],[3],[4]) about the need to check grammar/sourcing, and on ways to do, the editor still disregards even the simplest requests. As recently as yesterday, the editor is still adding material without sources and poor grammar. I can't fathom anyway the topic area benefits from their presence.

@Blade - Considering the hefty sanction being proposed here, I think it may only be fair to give the user the benefit of the doubt and assume the he/she may not know how to respond to an AE request. I have asked that Ynhockey (talk · contribs) inform the user about the case in Hebrew, as it has been made clear English is not his/her's first language. Could you please allow an additional 24-hours before closing in light of this request? Thanks. -asad (talk) 13:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

notified

• Comment - I just wanted to say that I too have found פארוק to be rather uncooperative and contentious. I don't know whether he is here to build an encyclopedia or not, but his behavior does cause me concern. He seems to want to transform simple disagreements over relatively minor content issues into grand political debates, and that's a problem. Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'd like to echo Evanh2008. Uncooperative, argumentative, doesn't seem to understand (or care about) what anyone else says. Terrible standard of English writing. Makes personal attacks and accusations of antisemitism against people who try to work on Israel-related content. Exhausting. Beastiepaws (talk) 22:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And he's right back in there today...

[5] - "I have a strong feeling that here is a strong Christian antisemitism motif."

[6] - "I want to ask you a qustion pleas. Why the Palestinians in Israel are destroy and demolished Jewish archaeological sites at night when the police is not there ?"

[7] - "After they finished to writ the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Arabic Wikipedia) they come to here !"

Beastiepaws (talk) 08:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to add that link. His/her edits are pointless, polemical and seamed with insistant innuendoes that those who oppose his behaviour are Christian antisemites. He needs to be given a respite from his obsessions by a mandatory holiday in the wikicooler. If it's a first violation, a few weeks, so that the rest of us can engage in what, so far, is a civil and surprisingly refreshing discussion.Nishidani (talk) 11:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just thought I'd point out, the carry-on is in no way restricted to I/P issues per se. These are from a proposed deletion discussion.

1. [8]
2. [9]

Beastiepaws (talk) 04:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I too would like to echo the concerns raised by involved/witnessed editors. I found it deeply upsetting when פארוק (Farouk) came to my talk page and started to post uncivil racial attacks towards myself for no reason. The user had edited Jerusalem article and added a pile of images to the very top of the article causing the lead to be pushed halfway down the page. Politely I posted on his talk page about manual of style and that such images should be added within the article. But in response all I got from the user was remarks such as "I don't know how much you're anti-Semitic. But to say that Jerusalem is not a Jewish capital is the most anti-Semitic in the world !"; and "this is in addition to some trolls who write Against Jews". Why would anyone make such remarks and go to the detail of making certain comments emphasised in bold text, if it wasn't intentional racial attacking. I had to request intervention from Dennis Brown who issued a warning for posting unprovoked racial attacks. Whatever the proposed sanctions, I wholeheartedly support them as problematic situations like this need to be nipped in the bud before they become far worse than needs be. Wesley Mouse 15:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

• I don't see any reason why פארוק should be editing this topic area with that kind of inflammatory attitude. Unless someone objects in the next 24 hours, I'll impose an indefinite ban form I/P with a minimum 3 months before an appeal and issue an only warning that continued incivility will lead to quickly escalating blocks. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  @asad; I'll hold off for another 24 hours. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:35, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Indef topic ban looks like the best solution to me, with a second choice of simply site banning him. He doesn't seem to care whether he's indulging in gross personal attacks or not; although he may improve if removed from a subject he has such strong feelings about. KillerChihuahua^?!? 21:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Judging from his comments at Talk:Jerusalem#Jerusalem as capital of Palestine, this editor seems unable to cooperate with others on contentious articles in the I/P area. I support the proposed topic ban. EdJohnston (talk) 22:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Nableezy 16:04, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested

Crystalfile (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 09:25, 12 August 2012 BLP violation, essentially a revert of material removed on BLP grounds and discussed on the talk page, without the user saying one word on the talk page

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Blocked for violating 1RR, logged as a notification of the case

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

In the last weeks, Crystalfile has amassed a collection of terrible edits. Edits that demonstrate his inability to do anything other than push a rabid pro-Israel or anti-whatever-he/she-thinks-is-anti-Israel POV in a range of articles. In the above edit, the user writes that Amira Hass, a Ha'aretz reporter working in Gaza, "falsely reported" what Palestinians relayed were eyewitness accounts. No source says that Palestinians did not say what Hass reported. A similar edit was reverted, with an explicit claim of BLP, and discussed on the talk page. The user has previously been informed of WP:BLP#Restoring deleted content when he tried to edit-war such violating edits at Ahmed el-Tayeb. Among other such terrible edits is this in which he labels a reporter (and a living person) an anti-Israel activist on the say-so of one reporter. Such defaming edits should not be acceptable in any topic area, much less one covered under discretionary sanctions. If one were to compare his edits to Khalil al-Mughrabi, or Faris Odeh, or Muhammad al-Durrah incident, with articles such as The murder of Yehuda Shoham they will quickly see a pattern of attempting to remove anything that reflects poorly on Israel and magnifying anything that reflects poorly on the Palestinians. Purely agenda-based editing without even the semblance of an attempt at neutrally covering the issues. We do not need more editors like this, we need less. The past weeks with this editor active have been much worse than most of what I remember from the last several years. I am not the only one seeing a problem here, see for example User_talk:Zad68#Wiki_voice. nableezy - 16:02, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And a note for the below, WP:BLP#Restoring deleted content is about as clear as any policy that Wikipedia has. It is rather short as well. Feel free to give it a read. nableezy - 16:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Blade, I think the biggest problem in the edit is that it says that a professional reporter falsely reported material that she attributed to Palestinian accounts. No source says that she made any of this up, and it approaches libel for somebody to say that she did. nableezy - 17:30, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Crystalfile, Im sorry, but the court found that the accounts were false, not that Hass made up the accounts, which is what your edit says she did. And further, you reverted an edit made on BLP grounds, something that is specifically prohibited under policy, a policy that you had been informed of prior to this incident. nableezy - 17:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, that piece was an op-ed written by CAMERA executive director Andrea Levin. Not a reliable source, and certainly not one to be used to make such accusations against living people in Wikipedia's voice. nableezy - 17:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Activism (perfectly descriptive username by the way), I attributed an op-ed to the author. You want to change the cited source, go right ahead. Id love to get a CAMERA op-ed out of a BLP. And that second edit is not a revert, not even a little bit. It is so very nice to have such attentive admirers, but making such silly claims is simply a distraction. nableezy - 18:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Crystalfile, I do not want you punished for no reason. I would like you removed from the topic area because you make terrible edit after terrible edit. That can be seen in your edits to, for example, Ben White (journalist), Ahmed el-Tayeb, Al-Azhar Mosque, Khalil al-Mughrabi (including the deletion discussion), 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramle, and Yasser Arafat, and probably every other article you have edited. You routinely engage in tag-teaming edit-warring, you follow people from article to article, and your talk page comments are a collection of assertions without evidence and unintelligible rambling. You are, to put it bluntly, the exact opposite of what the topic area needs. Your view of policy shifts 180 degrees depending depending on, and only on, whether the subject is Palestinian or Israeli. Your endless supply of "me too" reverts is plainly disruptive. Your repeated dragging up of settled disputes is beyond annoying. I have little patience for people whose view of policy is so malleable that they can simultaneously make two opposing arguments depending solely on which argument benefits their favored "side". That is pretty much all you have done here. That doesnt even begin to get into the obvious meat-puppetry, what with you reverting edits, word for word, from weeks and months prior to you registering this account. nableezy - 18:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The list of my "reverts" and "false attribution" demonstrate that Crystalfile lacks the competence to edit in this area, and perhaps any. It is exceedingly difficult for him or her to understand the most basic arguments, and he repeats bogus claims endlessly. This may not have been the best example of his disruptive behavior, but the totality of his edits demonstrate that he should not be allowed near these articles. nableezy - 15:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The cause of this request was the violation of WP:BLP#Restoring deleted content. Not "POV" or any other such motivation attributed to me. The user reinstated an edit removed as a BLP violation without saying a word on the talk page. That is just one of many reasons why the user should be booted, but I have little doubt that the user will provide further reasons in the future. nableezy - 18:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And that took a while. Example of further reasons in the future: [10] nableezy - 18:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

I made a normal edit and have no idea why this is discussing it here. The previous source showed Hass was convicted for libel for wrong information -

"The Jerusalem Magistrate's Court yesterday ordered Ha'aretz journalist Amira Hass to pay NIS 250,000, plus NIS 18,000 for court costs, to the Jewish community of Beit Hadassah in Hebron for publishing false accounts that vilified the residents..."

"Judge Rachel Shalev-Gartel concluded in favor of the residents' claim that the report - disproven by several televised accounts of the incident - damaged the community's reputation." I added this source which says:

"Reporter Amira Hass, for example, has recently been ordered by the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court to pay NIS 250,000 in damages to the Jewish community of Beit Hadassah in Hebron for her false report that Jewish residents there had abused the corpse of an Arab shot dead by the Border Police during a hot pursuit. The allegations were disproved by multiple televised accounts of the event."

This is frivilous POV complaint. This was:

• first time I ever edited this article and I didnt revert anybody not even once! It was a new edit.
• It changed language according to that of sources, improve article and added a new source.
• A few editors agreed that Nableezy version of Hasses libel was not good and should be changed

I see he was recently told by KillerChihuahua that "advise Nableezy to be more circumspect about what cases he brings here" and "We do not sanction people for making good faith edits and then abiding by the decision they did not improve the article." Crystalfile (talk) 17:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Nableezy reverts

Nableezy made this edit undoing activism1234s edit and another revert which wrongly changed attribution from JPost (see below) and undid me within 24hr

• Nableezy false attribution

Here he attribute the fact that Hasses claims disproven to Levin and an opinion piece. However the main Jerusalem Post news article says that "Judge Rachel Shalev-Gartel concluded in favor of the residents' claim that the report - disproven by several televised accounts of the incident " and this is misleading as it isnt just Levin opinion but proper news story that says this.

@Ed Johnson

The Jerusalem Post also says "Judge Rachel Shalev-Gartel concluded in favor of the residents’ claim that the report – disproven by several televised accounts of the incident – damaged the community’s reputation." I changed to 'disproven' and now having to defend myself for two weeks at AE over this POV complaint? This cant be right! This should have been first mentioned on the talk first (where we solved this) - not running to always punish me! Crystalfile (talk) 17:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the edit on Amira Haas (which is what this request is about), it seems most likely that Crystalfile wasn't trying to claim that she incorrectly reported what Palestinians said, but rather fix a previous version of the page in which a POV made it sound as though what she reported was true, and it was just really settlers who said it was false and the judge just ruled against her as well, and The Jerusalem Post just also said her report wasn't true. I think what Crystalfile was going for was trying to clarify that although she may have reported what Palestinians said, this wasn't necessarily true eyewitness accounts (as seen from the fact there's an opposing side and a judge ruled against her as well as JPost), and were rather false (better would've been to write as a claim). I don't think he would actually try to make it sound as though she made up that Palestinians told her something - just doesn't make sense. And it should be reminded, that although journalists can interview people, a good journalist should strive to make sure that's the real account, and not take everything as true.

Grammar-wise, it's incorrect and is a different meaning. But some editors who aren't that advanced in English (which we have plenty) may not realize this otherwise, and simply explaining to them how it changes what it says should suffice, in my opinion, and seeing whether they acknowledge that and revert. In addition, the user's English and speaking has improved greatly since the last AE, which you can see on some talk pages and some edits as well.

And obviously, it makes sense Crystalfile didn't see the need to go on the talk page, since it's not disputed that the judge ruled against her and many others said it wasn't true, hence making it a claim.

Also, as far as I can tell, the editor has not violated 1RR here, which would seemingly show he understood the concept of 1RR since the last AE, and has not repeated it here.

Cheers. --Activism1234 16:09, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While this AE about that page was going on, Nableezy just edited that page, ignoring this reference as well, and part of this AE. --Activism1234 18:01, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, but may be WP:1RR, since his/her edits (1, 2) are part of a dispute that is going on in the talk page and on this AE. --Activism1234 18:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A bit perturbed at Nableezy's insinuation that my username means anything other than a desire to be active on Wikipedia. --Activism1234 21:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, while this AE was opened, Crystalfile and I were seeking a compromise and colloborative change to the wording of the article that Nableezy is complaining about, which has now been changed by someone outside the dispute after reading the dispute, and which everyone (Nableezy, Crystalfile, and I) now agrees is fine and supports. That dispute is over and was finished in a matter of a few hours since the AE was opened. --Activism1234 15:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything terrible in the edits all of them supported by sources.I think user:Nableezy abuse WP:BLP policy to WP:CENSOR information that he don't like. Moreover this complaint is classic WP:BATTLE behavior that he was already warned against by admins [11],[12] [13]--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 16:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@Nableezy It was printed in JPOST a WP:RS.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 17:57, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It was an op-ed, read WP:RS again. Most especially the lines Editorial commentary and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (opinion pieces) or outside authors (op-eds) are reliable primary sources for attributed statements as to the opinion of the author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact. nableezy - 17:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

and first source said "for publishing false accounts that vilified the residents...". I said falsely reported. Why are you saying this is bad?

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

• As of writing, the source being used doesn't have a link anywhere; is there any way someone could do that or at least give the wording used? "Contradicts" and "disproves" would communicate different messages, and I'd need to see a pretty solid source to justify reverting to the latter. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unarchived. T. Canens (talk) 09:47, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• My opinion is that this complaint against Crystalfile should be closed with no action. The CAMERA editorial has recently been removed from the article, and I recommend that it stay out unless a wider sample of press and editorial commentary can be tracked down, to ensure balance and prevent undue weight.

Nableezy has asked for sanctions based on this diff, where a court decision against Amira Hass was commented upon in an op-ed in the Jerusalem Post written by Andrea Levin of the CAMERA organization. Until such time as Wikipedians can get access to more reliable sources (online or offline) that report this incident in any detail, I suggest that editors might limit the coverage to what is found in the June 8, 2001 article in the Jerusalem Post, a 218-word article which has already been posted at Talk:Amira Hass#Jerusalem Post report on the libel case. Sourcing to an op-ed seems contrary to WP:RS. The sharp edge of the complaint about Hass is the suggestion that she engaged in malicious reporting. All that I can get from the June 8, 2001 article in the Jerusalem Post is that Hass was ordered to pay a fine "for publishing false accounts that vilified the residents." The claim that Hass had malicious intent comes from the *complaint by the Hebron residents* and the JPost does not put that opinion in the mouth of the court. As the Jerusalem Post stated, "The suit filed by the residents claimed that not only did such an event not take place but that Hass recounted the story with malicious intent." I.e. it was the opinion of the plaintiffs that Hass acted with malice. Without knowing any further details of the court decision, I wouldn't take it on faith that CAMERA's Andrea Levin is correctly summarizing the events with this quotation:

Reporter Amira Hass, for example, has just been ordered by the Jerusalem Magistrate's Court to pay $60,000 in damages to the Jewish community of Hebron for her false and incendiary report that Jewish residents there had abused the corpse of a dead Arab shot by Israeli Border police in a violent incident. The allegations were disproved by multiple televised accounts of the event.

These are the remarks by Andrea Levin found at this link, as cited by Nableezy above. As our CAMERA article states, the group is "known for its pro-Israel media monitoring and advocacy". Since this is a confusing issue, I don't see any need to sanction Crystalfile over this particular complaint. Assuming that people are able to find sources, further discussion of this matter could take place at WP:BLP/N. The current version of the article looks reasonably neutral. EdJohnston (talk) 00:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Agree with the decision to take no action on this complaint. KillerChihuahua^?!? 19:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]