User talk:Ebonyskye: Difference between revisions

As a result of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Midnight_Syndicate, User:GuardianZ was banned from editing Midnight Syndicate, and all present and past employees and associates of Midnight Syndicate, Nox Arcana, or Monolith Graphics are prohibited from editing Midnight Syndicate and related articles, including Dungeons & Dragons (album) and Nox Arcana. Following a complaint at WP:AE, I have concluded that you are a reincarnation of GuardianZ, based on your contributions and on checkuser data showing you edit from the same ISP and geographic area as GuardianZ. Therefore the topic ban applies to you, and you may not edit any related articles. I am also blocking your account for 48 hours for deliberate ban evasion, since this account has been active on these articles a long time. I have the option to ban you indefinitely, but since your behavior seems to have been acceptable, I will allow this account to remain active so you can contribute on article talk pages. Thatcher131 01:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I support Thatcher's block. Durova^Charge! 01:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Ebonyskye (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I believe that User:Skinny_McGee has mistaken me as some other user, and has some sort of grudge against anyone that edits the Midnight Syndicate page if they happen to mention the band's former member or any credit to him.

• The edits I have made are very few and neutral. Mostly, I have been involved in creating new pages for books[1] [2] and other bands[3][4].

• I have read back through Skinny McGee's history, and it appears that he questions it when someone edits his band page, and even asks other people to edit it for him. [5]

• Skinny McGee has edited pages related to the Midnight Syndicate page, which he admits that he was banned from editing.

Adding a promotional link to his band page [6]

When I posted a summary[7] of the Darklore Manor album by Nox Arcana, Skinny McGee removed my contributions[8]and[9]. He is apparently banned from editing the Nox Arcana material as part of the previous ban.

• Skinny McGee entered into a discussion I was having with someone else in regard to another album[10] calling a reference inappropriate (and I had not even posted it on the band page). Yet, he was lobbying to prevent further investigation.

• Skinny McGee questioned my removal of a Midnight Syndicate album cover[11] when policy clearly states that albums go on album pages, not band pages.

• Things I was blamed for by Skinny McGee but did NOT edit...

User:4.159.77.130 removed a "See also" link to Nox Arcana from Midnight Syndicate[12]. That was NOT one of my edits. That link was placed there by User:Cromag. When I edited other text, that link was just copied as part of the older text so I would not lose the page formatting.

• I removed an incorrect statement[13] and validated my reason for doing this on the talk page. I further defined the role of Joseph Vargo here[14] and added a date for the event.

• I have adhered to policy WP:CITE and have made neutral edits.

• And yet have been told that sources such as The Internet Movie Database is not reliable[15]. I have been told that Midnight Syndicate's autobiography is accepted, yet when I referenced Garfinkle's bio on IMDB and on his own website, I am told it is not acceptable--and Garfinkle is a composer with tons of movie and tv credits to his name. I'm not talking about an indie band here. That is my only complaint with this subject.

• I have been a victim of circumstance. I did not truly realize the in-depth history of this band war between Midnight Syndicate and Nox Arcana until I found out first hand from Skinny McGee. I know there was controversy[16], but I had no idea that it was so hot. I was not banned for sonething specific, but because my edits were "close" to someone else's. I don't think there was much investigation into that at all, and I feel that both Skinny McGee and the people who banned me have been biased against me for not good reason. I was not given the benfit or courtesy of even a comment on my talk page. All this was done behind my back.

• I will not edit the Midnight Syndicate article, so long as Skinny McGee is warned from editing the Nox Arcana articles and from removing valid references to Nox Arcana from other pages. How does that sound to everyone? Ebonyskye 10:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You are blocked for 48 hours because your contributions and checkuser data lead us to believe you are User:GuardianZ or someone close to him. Therefore the topic ban applies to you, and you may not edit any related articles. You are welcome to contribute on the talk page of the said articles after the block expires, since your edits appear to have been made in good faith. Please read the notice at the top of Talk:Midnight Syndicate. — -- lucasbfr ^talk 10:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Lucas, that was fast. Did you even read my contributions? Most of what I posted WAS on talk pages, not in articles. Also, would you please enter this today on my behalf... I would appreciate the turn of fair play, if I am to be singled out for another person's wrongdoings.

As a result of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Midnight_Syndicate,, User:Skinny_McGee is barred from editing any articles related to Midnight Syndicate or Nox Arcana. He has broken his ban on 3 occasions and exhibits a strong bias toward any editor who even mentions the name of the former band member for whom Skinny McGee holds a strong aversion..

• Adding a promotional link to the Midnight Syndicate page.[17]
• Removal of content from the Nox Arcana's Darklore Manor album page.[18] and[19].
• Skinny McGee is Lobbying for removal of content and to Prevent further investigation into references that relate to a Midnight Syndicate album credentials [20] calling a reference inappropriate (and it was not even posted on the band page).
• He maliciously sought to ban an editor User:Ebonyskye, presenting slanted evidence against the person, which was taken at face value with no investigation of the content.

Thank you Ebonyskye 10:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your block was made on behalf of the arbcom and supported by an other admin, who both reviewed your case. That's why I declined your unblock. The content of the contributions don't matter in the case of article bans. -- lucasbfr ^talk 11:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK. What about the other user (above) who edited those same pages. Does he get banned as well? I don't understand why I am banned for being in the "general" vicinity of someone's IP and he is not banned for editing when he is clearly in violation of said ban. Ebonyskye 11:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately administrators are not omniscient, we only become aware of problems when they are brought to our attention. I have reviewed the evidence page in the arbitration case and I am reasonably convinced that Skinny McGee is, or is associated with, Edward Douglas. As such, the prohibition against editing Midnight Syndicate and related articles applies to him as well. I will warn him of this and expect him to follow it in the future. I plan on leaving your block in place for the remainer of the 48 hours because in addition to editing these topics, you changed accounts to avoid scrutiny.

The arbitration case allows admins to ban editors from articles and talk pages, or even indefinitely from Wikipedia itself, for "aggressive biased editing." I don't see that from either of you, and I believe you can continue to have good input on the article talk pages. When you have a disagreement about sources or policy, you should try a request for comment or a request for third opinion, or Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance). These are mechanisms to attract the attention of neutral editors to give their opinions on disputes or make edits for you. You can request enforcement of the arbitration decision at WP:AE should it be necessary in the future. If after a reasonable period of time you can demonstrate that you and Skinny McGee can edit cooperatively and collaboratively without edit warring, you can appeal the probations and ask that they be lifted. Hope this helps. Thatcher131 14:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]