Talk:Hurricane Helene

We should get a more recent image, now that Helene is a storm rather than a disturbance. This will be needed as it appears this storm will become extremely violent. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 16:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure that this will qualify for a more "better" image replacement, but it sure looks impressive now!

[1]https://cdn.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES16/ABI/CONUS/GEOCOLOR/1250x750.jpg 162.196.25.164 (talk) 20:26, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think we should get info from the National Hurricane Center or National Weather Service, or even the NOAA! And this is coming from a person in Florida. AmazedCheezBalls (talk) 01:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We do. Citations 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 45 are directly from the NHC. Advisories from the National Weather Service are of lesser use, as they are for immediately preserving life and property, and from NOAA is typically more retrospective and not timely, so the four or so daily NHC bulletins are as rapid as information can be reasonably added. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ah, ok. So should I remove this? AmazedCheezBalls (talk) 02:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This discussion? Better to leave it up and just have it be marked as   Already done or so. --Super Goku V (talk) 05:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is this the time that we give this the primary article? Or do we wait to see the impacts done? CrazyC83 (talk) 20:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

If an RM was called, I doubt it would pass because of the 1958 storm. ✶Quxyz✶ 20:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

• Strong oppose to that. Hurricane Helene (1958) was, as of this message, stronger, costlier, and deadlier than the 2024 version. So absolutely not. Like mentioned above, if an RM is called, it would be strong opposed probably due to the 1958 storm. Even if this caused major damage, it would be opposed as the 1958 storm caused equivalent to 119 million in damage in today's money. There would be no clear primary topic, as both are there. For "Helene", the article "Hurricane Helene" should be the list of storms, unless the 2024 storm is retired. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  If damage totals come out pretty high (say 10 billion) which is a possibility if you account for the possible damage it could do farther inland in states like Georgia, then we can talk. But PRIMARYTOPIC might come into play here if everyone else begins associating Helene to the 2024 storm instead of 1958. We’ll see how things go. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 21:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

• Wait for now, but likely strong support Hold off on a move discussion for now. We can't compare the 2024 storm to others because the effects of the 2024 storm are still a question mark. There's certainly reason to believe it will become the most significant Helene: the storm itself is massive, some forecasters predict it will further intensify to Category 4 (which would make the storm join the very small list of storms to strike the US at that intensity), the risk of major flooding means it is likely to have significant effects on many states in the Southeast (not just Florida), etc. It's very easy to imagine that it's going to cause more than Helene's one (indirect) fatality and $11.4M ($119M in today's money). I find using money as a representation of damage to be misleading because generally storms that hit the US cause exponentially more "damage" when it is the poorer countries that are actually more damaged, but nevertheless, this should be an effortless bar for Helene to clear. As a side note, we do not to convert previous figures to today's money when comparing these stats: we consider Harvey to be tied with Katrina for costliest hurricane, even though Katrina stays #1 when adjusted for inflation.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:57, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  The magnitude of its impacts are not guaranteed. Idalia last year was about the same intensity but was not retired and did no fatalities were caused. ✶Quxyz✶ 22:04, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  As I said, we should wait until after impacts occur to !vote on moving. But I just want to point out that's an odd example to use. Idalia did cause fatalities, and billions in damages. A name does not need to be retired for the name to lack a year, it just needs to be the most important one. We should wait for the impacts to be known, but we will not wait until the WMO meets next year to discuss retirement.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Wait for now; but likely strong support – wait till landfall Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 22:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Wait for now. The impacts should be known, but I will not support unless the magnitude of its impacts are severe enough to warrant a merge. _ZZ^Z'S 23:25, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

• You're right about the primary topic rule. I didn't nominate an RM yet because an initial discussion was needed and Idalia was a counter-point. Retirement automatically makes a primary topic, but that won't happen (if warranted) until next spring. CrazyC83 (talk) 23:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Should it be noted that the Crawfordville, FL Waffle House closed? And if you think that mention is weird; I actually do have a reason for asking. Waffle Houses rarely close (see Waffle House Index), and when they do; there is usually a major going on there. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I’ll add that it is also extremely rare for a Waffle House to close before the storm even gets there. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 00:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply