Talk:Zionism: Difference between revisions

*:::::::::Andrevan did not show where our existing text had POV problems. He simply leapt over that request, and presented his own version, which happens to mirror a story that has been told a thousand times for 70 years in that form. To anyone familiar with the literature, what Andrevan wrote is a highly recognisable story. The way Zionists now like to see their movement retrospectively. One does not describe encyclopedically an ideology, which Zionists admit their belief system is, in terms of how the framers of that ideology see it. We don't wrote Russian or Chinese communism as the those militants or thinkers see it, but from outside, according to how a '''detached''' scholarly overview analyses it. Nor do we write the modern history of Spain according to [[Francoist Spain|Francoism]]. This goes for all countries. Before calling this a mishmash in terms you take as rude, I gave very concrete examples of why it screws up Zionism. You haven't contested those facts. You highlight as 'inflammatory' language that is dismissive of a patchwork of confused generalizations which cancel all nuances, and totally elide the existence of the dilemma within Zionism which our best sources highlight. So as Selfstudier says, if you want to participate, focus on the argument about its defects, not on my personal summation of Andrevan's suggestion, which is, politely put, a dully familiar patchwork of Zionist POV self-representations. In any case, it is perhaps not worth the effort, since we have spent months deliberating on the best sources to be used in rewriting the article, achieving something of a consensus, and, rather than reading them, we now have a complete sidestepping of that collegial effort's results with a personal resumé, not of all of the scholarship. but only those parts of it which vindicate Zionism's self-portrait.[[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 18:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

*::::::::::I can't respond to all this [[WP:TEXTWALL]]. I gave my best attempt, trying to follow the bestsource summaries above, and substantiating my logic for the POV/WEIGHT and IMPARTIAL problems. I will note the extensive textwall response doesn't appear to cite any sources. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 20:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

*If you consider my 299 words above a Wall of Text consider just two of your own extensive remarks

(a) Andrevan 03:09, 16 September 2024 (UTC) 230 words