Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sealdah Station.jpg

This file was initially tagged by Modern primat as no permission (No permission since) Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment I think this should be discussed, because the only match on TinEye was "First found on Jan 26, 2023", so it could be a copy of this file, uploaded 8 September 2021‎, and not vice versa, and the matches on Google Images are only on Wikimedia. So why do you think this remark by the uploader is not also made in their capacity as the photographer? "This view is from the Southern Sealdah Railway Station Side. It was captured just before the evening." If you have proof that this photo was stolen, please provide it. Otherwise, I think we should keep the photo. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:58, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, please keep the photo! HridoyKundu (talk) 09:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't understand why it was nominated for deletion? @Modern primat for what no permission? HridoyKundu (talk) 09:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  contact permissions-commons@wikimedia.org , and follow the instructions. check your page. @HridoyKundu

  ""If you have proof that this photo was stolen"" i simply cant see this file is free licensed. no metadata, low resolution. @Ikan Kekek ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 09:58, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Don't be confused, both I'mHriday and

  HridoyKundu are same. See here in my page history HridoyKundu (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ikan Kekek marking files with "no permission" is not a speedydelete reason. it is just "file is need a prove that it has free licensed or has given permission to use it". so, im marking again with "no permission". ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 09:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! It's from my phone gallery and unfortunately I delete every image after uploading to the Wikimedia to keep my phone space clean. HridoyKundu (talk) 09:58, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

there is any proof except your phone memory? if not, i hope it is not to hard to take photo again in that place. ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 10:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Modern primat, I didn't delete any tag; I just challenged it in order to have a regular deletion requests thread. If the effect of that was to cause the deletion of the tag, why not just use this deletion requests thread to discuss the file? If HridoyKundu took the photo, it has permission from them, so as I said, the claim you're making is that they are lying when they claim it's their "own work." HridoyKundu, did you shoot this photo yourself? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(...) I don't have infinite time like you to go to the station and take that photo again and again. It's far from me. I uploaded Sealdah Station.jpg & Eleta Kingsley.jpg recently from my gallery. Can you proof that it not belongs to me? Just ask intellectual Wikipedia admin through my mail. I will give them proof. I can't disclose my personal info on public. HridoyKundu (talk) 14:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you have proof, then the COM:VRT folks are the ones to e-mail confidentially. Normally you don't need to do that for photos that haven't been published elsewhere. –LPfi (talk) 19:44, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu. You have uploaded File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg just recently. Is there any chance that you still have the original photograph? Since this file seems to be cropped, I want to ask you to upload an uncropped version with metadata. Is that possible for you? HeminKurdistan (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HridoyKundu, you should address this, because not addressing it damages your credibility and the reliability of your claims that all the photos you uploaded are your own work. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ikan Kekek I was not answering or replying to any comments just because to avoid any further conflicts. I was replying with suitable infos on email to wiki admin officials. But it has gone far.

This user @Modern primat is misusing his wiki power. Dear admins @LPfi @Kritzolina don't you think it needs to be stopped? I just noticed all my of uploaded photos are again asked for verification as it has missing evidence of permission. What? I already proved and given permission when those were uploaded.

I already said as soon as I uploaded to wiki I delete photos immediately to clean my phone's space. But as you need proof my ownership on those images, you can check it's proof simply by doing image search by image search engines like Google lens or tineye or Bing image search or something else if you know. You will not find any other images and if you do so you won't find that before my published date. Hope it clears!

Lastly, Don't you think it isn't the way to prevent vandalism? Instead, it's simply discouraging users like me to upload photos further on wiki. That user not only asking my credibility and discouraging me and wasting ours time but also giving user like me personal attack. HridoyKundu (talk) 14:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, It's really not possible and practical to verify my ownership and permission again and again on every files I uploaded on wikimedia like File:Belgharia Railway Station.png | File:Barasat Junction railway station.png See all here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListFiles/HridoyKundu&ilshowall=1 Please do something about it! HridoyKundu (talk) 14:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

""misusing his wiki power"" ok ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 15:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

HridoyKundu, being indignant instead of addressing requests and comments does not make your argument stronger; rather, on the contrary. You should address HeminKurdistan's request in this thread, not privately, where no-one but them can see the answer. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu Do you mean me by saying "That user"? HeminKurdistan (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HeminKurdistan Anywhere am I mentioned you? No, you aren't meant for that or any of this!

@Ikan Kekek I already did on email but no action or reply come in the past 24 hours. That's why I put here.

@LPfi @Kritzolina Dear admins, just waive off the Confirm Copyright Ownership notice like on this (https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Belgharia_Railway_Station.png) from mine all uploaded images on wikimedia. That's it!

And everyone please don't reply on this. Instead of argument just solve this issue and close the discussion here.

Thank you, HridoyKundu (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't appreciate your refusing to discuss things publicly. If you are too indignant to discuss things publicly, maybe you lack the right temperament or attitude to participate collaboratively on a wiki. But to get back to a specific: whether you actually shot File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg or not would influence my view of whether your "own work" claims are reliable in general. Asking for an uncropped version with metadata was a very polite way of challenging you to give evidence of your authorship of that photo. And you decline to do that because? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu Would you please answer my question? HeminKurdistan (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HeminKurdistan 1) I think you didn't go through the image properly. Just look at the info of that image Summary>Permission I verified it through email by VRT.

2)I don't appreciate your refusing to discuss things publicly - Discussion is only made when there's anything to solve. Here that's already solved regarding that two images File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg & File:Sealdah Station.jpg verifying by VRTs

3)maybe you lack the right temperament or attitude - Maybe but seriously I don't know how to explain someone more friendly than this.

4) And you decline to do that because? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC) - No absolutely no. Wikipedia and its subsidiaries is for all and a public thing is all about transparency. We all have the rights to ask questions. So there should be no partiality. I was declining not because of the discussion but the discussion was going out of the box and irrelevant. It was turning into who is right and who is one whose side instead of what is right

5) very polite way of challenging you to give evidence of your authorship of that photo - As I already said transperency should have on wiki. And I really appreciate the work of the user: Modern Primat here. But there should have limit! He was not only asking about the authorship of those two photos but all of my photos.

Based on nothing! Isn't this the insult of my credibility and too transparency? Imagine, you have 1000+ photos uploaded on wiki (many actually have more than this). And I ask you to prove your authorship one by one. Where you already proved that before your uploading, you have to do that again just because I asked. So simply asking: Will you do that?

6) I asked to stop the discussion just because to stop the toxicity. As time passes, more users are evolving by becoming this side or that side. So, instead of solving this simple thing, it's getting more toxic.

That's why I ask the wiki admins attention. Because they are well and enough experienced to handle this types of situation more peacefully.

Lastly, don't ask me to add this string or that code to image. I really understand less about those things and know the very basic of wiki.

Thanks, HridoyKundu (talk) 19:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu This is not an answer to my question, but no problem. I have another question: If I can upload an uncropped version of File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg, the photograph you claim you took, what will you do and what do you expect us to do (if that happens)? That's a pretty straight question and I expect you to answer honestly and directly. HeminKurdistan (talk) 20:03, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Modern primat: The file is not low resolution. Although many modern cameras can take photos with bigger resolution, some cameras (and smart phones) don't, and often the extra pixels are just noise. Also, there is no rule telling Exif has to be included or kept. There needs to be some other reason not to trust the uploader to add permission missing templates. Although they are not speedy deletion templates, they give the uploader just a week to react. For a file uploaded more than a year ago, that's quite close to a speedy. I removed the {{No permission since}} – when a DR has been started there is no need for it, and it shouldn't be in the no permission categories. –LPfi (talk) 19:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does look like at least this photo is good, as VRT approved it. So we can close this thread as a  Keep, at any rate. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ok,  Keep. all you have to do just contact VRT and follow instructions, not call people "fool" @HridoyKundu. and i cant still believe there is people insulting and just walk away like nothing happend. ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 23:09, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because User:HridoyKundu has stopped participating in this discussion and does not answer my questions despite having made several edits after them, I have no other way to judge based on what I have found out. The file File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg, which as been (unfortunately) confirmed via VRT system, is a copyright violation and the reason User:HridoyKundu has neglected my request to upload an uncropped version with metadata to prove their authorship is because of this. This is the uncropped version of this file. If this was an own work by User:HridoyKundu, how could I find an uncropped version? Because it is a screenshot taken from a video of a football match. It is available on youtube here at 01:35, and it seems File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg has been digitally altered so that its quality is improved. Because of that, no search engine was able to find that. I see this as a proof that User:HridoyKundu is being dishonest with the community. So, I don't believe them saying "I delete every image after uploading to the Wikimedia" and see all of their uploads as copyright violations and I would recommend the admin who reads this to  Delete this file (as well as others uploaded by this user). Pinging @Modern primat@LPfi@Ikan Kekek who were involved in this discussion. HeminKurdistan (talk) 16:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your finding would be a good reason to start this request and if there were no further evidence, it should be deleted as a copyright violation. However, when VRT has been involved, any doubts about the file's status should involve asking them. For all that I know, HridoyKundu could be the original cameraman (or there may be any other arrangement I cannot guess). We need to ask the VRT team if we want to know. Now, this discussion is confused, as File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg hasn't been nominated for deletion, only the station image. –LPfi (talk) 16:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe there should be a separate deletion request for that file. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see this as a proof that User:HridoyKundu is being dishonest with the community... Pardon me a dishonesty?

I already answered about it and I think you need more clarification. Actually, 01:35 that video already answered your questions. Let's deep down one by one:

1) Why it's cropped? If you are asked to get a photo pinpointing a person from a group of moving people you must crop. Because there will always unnecessary things in that photo that is insignificant and confusing to readers if that exist. So, to pinpoint that person only, I have to crop. Also if you watch football closely you will see advertisements and sponsors around the field and showing that on image is trademark violation as far as I know. In short, it was cropped to remove other persons than himself, ads and sponsors, unnecessary things.

2) Digitally altered? Yes, it was due to remove blurriness. As the object was moving constantly it's impossible to get a steady or static photo.

3) upload an uncropped version with metadata: I already said in my previous replies, I understand less about those codes, metadatas and things like this. So, literally it goes above my head what he wants to explain or know by the term with metadata. And in this answer at point 1) I said why it's not possible to upload uncropped version.

4) matching: When we have doing, seeing a universal thing it will always match. How? Let's assume a Mosque or Mandir or Church, a person A and a person B get a same photo at the same time from the same place of that Mosque or Mandir or Church. So does that mean person A violating copyright of person B? or vise versa? No! That's the same thing happened here. As the event is public, you shouldn't be shocked that many person get a same photo of person in the field. Because they all get that at the same time.

5) So, I don't believe them saying "I delete every image after uploading to the Wikimedia": Umm..I don't know you believe or not but I do. Yes, it's 100% true I delete them all after uploading. Because I no longer need that photos as they became unnecessary to me so I delete to save my phone's space and also I believe wikimedia as trustworthy so in accident if I need that near future I can again download. So, what's the point to keep them in my phone? HridoyKundu (talk) 06:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you understand what "own work" means? You claim that File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg is your "own work," but now you admit it is a still from a video uploaded to YouTube by T Sports. Are you T Sports? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:06, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu You claimed that these files can be proved to be your own work "simply by doing image search" and because we "will not find any other images and if you do so you won't find that before my published date". Now the source of your file is unearthed. What do you expect others to think? HeminKurdistan (talk) 11:03, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To @HeminKurdistan and the closing admin: please take a look on what the uploader has posted on my talk page Special:Diff/747702707#Is modification on image and uploaded it on wiki violates copyright?. The crux is: Sorry, as I have a major confusion and made a mistake on this. Then please consider deleting these files that I uploaded including: File:Belgharia Railway Station.png, File:Eleta Kingsley.jpg, File:Sealdah Station.jpg, File:TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg, File:Habra Railway Station.png, File:Agarpara Railway Station.png, File:Barahat railway station.jpg Best, ─ The Aafī (^talk) 16:38, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, glad they understand that now. How about apologizing for calling Modern primat a fool? Did HirdoyKundu ever apologize for that? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did (see the full conversation here) quoting "Dear administrators, I didn't want to show any types of personal attack on anyone. He/she was asking the same question again and again not understanding my point. Still I am sorry if I really did and promised to keep my behaviour restrained." HridoyKundu (talk) 04:21, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's not much of an apology. Admitting they were right to question you would be a start. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:06, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per this discussion with the uploader. Ruthven (msg) 15:42, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]